I recently got the chance to be a guest on Brian Okken’s Test and Code podcast. His show has been coming on strong lately with some great guests.

So when Brian asked me to go meta with him and be his guest to help him and all his guests get more out of his show, I was happy to be part of it.

He just released our episode. Check it out over at https://testandcode.com/56

You might initially think this episode is only for peopole who are potential podcast guests or hosts. But it really has lots of advice and lessons for all sorts of opportunities where you are getting out and doing more in a public sphere (public speaking, etc.).

Hope you enjoy it and thank you to Brian for having me. Subscribe to his show on Apple iTunes or Overcast. If you just want to listen in right away, go ahead and play it here:

Cheers,
@mkennedy